親愛的Sat Hari，你教昆達里尼瑜伽，是Guru Ram Das 寶瓶學院的創始人，也是Yogi Tea的前執行長，Yogi Tea是Yogi Bhajan在70年代創立的流行茶種類。
你把瑜伽茶帶到德國是真的嗎？
它在美國已經存在了，我幫助它在這裡廣為人知。 當時，我們在Eppendorfer Baum有金廟餐廳，不得不增加另一個開店的分支機構，否則我們將無法餵養我們的修道院。 然後有人說——Sat Hari do Yogi Tea，我只是說不！ （笑）。 當時，我們每月售出1500德國馬克的茶葉，當然，沒有人能靠它生活。 然後我說好吧我一半時間待在餐廳裡，另一半時間來做瑜伽茶。 1986年，我開始在德國開發瑜伽茶的專業網站。
印度瑜伽茶的經典配方是否由特定的香料混合物組成？
一些茶專家總是聲稱這一點，但實際上，阿育吠陀根本沒有傳授任何配方。 阿育吠陀醫生看著你，根據你的情況，例如，他開了一個薑根、五湯匙豆蔻和三茶匙肉桂，那這就是你的個人配方。
當Yogi Bhajan（昆達里尼瑜伽大師）來到西方時，他帶來了配方，因為他覺得人們需要一些用於神經、消化、循環和用於更高頻率的天然精油。 那些不太瞭解它的人聲稱—— 我們是從印度得到了配方，而且說它已經存在了一千年。 當然，那是胡說八道。每個印度家庭主婦都有自己的馬薩拉食譜或辛香料食譜，這就是印度的阿育吠陀傳統的情況。
你還在漢堡的Grindelallee經營金廟茶館嗎？
五年前，當我們移去Boizenburg時，我就放棄了茶館的管理，在那裡我們創立了Guru Ram Das 寶瓶學院。
你練習瑜伽多久了？
「 我不知道已經有多少輩子了，我還沒數過」（笑）。
但在這一生中，天空在1979年左右落在我的頭上。 當時，我培養了不太ㄧ樣的身體意識，當然我也透過受教於女人。 當時，桑尼亞辛群體（奧修）舉辦了許多講習班和研討會。我和一個女人住在漢堡Eimsbüttel的一個小公寓裡，她每個週末都去參加一個研討會。 我們在Poppenbüttel的一個有機農業和園藝計畫中彼此瞭解對方。 她穿紅色的，我挺喜歡。 此外，我和我的荷蘭老師Robert van Heeckeren每天都要上幾節課。 對我來說，那就是開端。
...而且那時你探索到了昆達里尼瑜伽？
不，只是比較一般的哈達瑜伽。 我是以不同的方式發現了昆達里尼瑜伽。 我後來離開了這座城市，帶著一把吉他和一件漂亮的粉紅布夾克，上面有彩虹，花了一年時間旅遊歐洲各處。 然後問題出現了——上帝啊，你想要我在哪裡？ 那時，我們的探索以及我的同伴Sat Hari Kaur，一起帶領我們去了希臘，我們在那裡生活了一段時間，問題一次又一次地出現——我們到底想去哪裡，屬於我們的地方在哪裡，我們的靈性之地在哪裡？ 那時，有昆達里尼瑜伽與與錫克正法正在伊塞大街的古魯拉姆修道院。
你能向我描述一下你的童年嗎？
噢，太美了。 我1952年出生在羅斯托克，我的父母經由漢堡向西搬到了希爾德斯海姆，接著搬到了巴特薩爾茨德富特。 我第一次真正記得自己，當我四五歲時上街時。和其他孩子一起，我們坐在鄰居家的鐵杆上，我說了一句令人難忘的話——我現在也在這裡。 那是我人類生涯的開始（笑）。
你會說透過昆達里尼瑜伽你也發現了你的靈性嗎？
不。 靈性一直存在。 這是神的另一個名字。 這個詞本身並沒有錯。 在人生的某個時刻，我在一個特殊的時刻瞭解到，我實際上總是與更高的自我建立關係，但不是有意識的。 然後可能就在某個時候，我意識到我一直與更高的自我保持著這種關係。 想像有一張圖——如果你想看看山谷，你必須爬上一座高山。 只有從那裡才能看到山谷。 當你在山谷裡時，你看不到它。
在哪個特定時間點，你得知你一直與更高的自我保持著關係？
像許多其他人一樣，我尤其是透過痛苦，尤其是透過愛的關係危機來學習。 就像我8個月大的哈士奇小狗一樣，牠就喜歡母狗，而我就這樣一次又一次地進入了關係，當時無法想像愛需要的不僅僅只是善意和深情的感覺。 最後，對我來說，一段關係就像一種深深的拋棄感，這種拋棄感在1978年變得如此深刻，然後只有更深的東西才能抓住我。 這就是我所說的更高的自我或神了。 從這個床到那個床，它從深處抓住了我，並給了我一個熟悉的訊息，即我們一直聯結在一起。
什麼點亮了靈魂？
它是自我發光的。 它是永恆的光，它是永恆的聲音，它是永恆的生命和永恆的愛。沒有任何東西被增加或必須帶走。
是的，但它並不總是被認可。
那是另一回事。 這與靈魂無關，而是與頭腦有關。 頭腦很固執，這是真的。 靈魂只是為永恆工作的存在。
我們目前所處的寶瓶時代的意義是什麼？
這是一個新的頻率，一個新的生活。 我的老師曾經說過，沒有什麼會保持原樣。 如果你晚上兩點起床，然後上街，沒有什麼比這更好的了。通常，這時你可以在人行道上跳舞，你周圍有一種你無法感知到的寂靜。當鳥兒再晚一點開始唱歌時，一切都又不一樣了。然而環境是一樣的， 寶瓶時代也是如此。 這是同一個環境啊，但一切都不同。我們注意到了，我們被搖晃，被撕裂，也被置於更高的品質。
即使沒有疫情......
是的，那正如冠冕的光輝。
我自己也是練習昆達里尼瑜伽的，歌唱是其中的一個重要部分。 我認為這對動態練習來說是一個很好的平衡。
我們在我們的Jap Ji裡（Jap Ji是Sri Guru Granth Sahib開始時的祈禱，ＳＧＧＳ被認為是錫克的聖經），是早上在讀的，這段話翻譯起來就像是 — 神啊，你在哪裡？ 然後祂回答說，她，它啊：無論我在哪裡，總是有音樂或樂器，總是有偉大的交響樂，一個管絃樂隊。大夥兒，哪裡都在唱歌、那裡有寶石、行星、天使合唱團、矮人、仙女、石頭、珠寶，都在唱歌。 那是我住的地方，那是我在家的地方。
瑜伽總是Atma（個體的神性靈魂）和Paramatma（包羅萬象的神性靈魂）的結合。這種聯結也可以在不同層次上找到。 在身體之內，肯定都有一些不同的可能性。 但唱歌是最美的。
你個人如何實現內心的平靜呢？
內心的平靜是最珍貴的東西之一。 內心的平靜只與神同在。 有不同形式的神性意識。 生命本身就是這種意識的一種形式。 神性的愛是一種形式，喜悅也是它的表達。 你可以走過所有這些大門，如果你已經穿梭過，就不再需要什麼了，然後你可以說，現在我內心很平靜。
自從你2015年創立Guru Ram Das 寶瓶學院以來，你發生了什麼變化？
我想說我已經找到了一個家。 我們尋找這個地方已經很久了，今天我被允許在那裡實踐整個正法，瑜伽，就在那裡。 我們每天都在那裡給出kirtan，Sadhana（Sadhana是清晨瑜伽和冥想，當太陽與地球的角度最適合時）。
（我們的社群）有一個非常大的圖書館，如果現在還有人需要圖書館的話（笑）。
從這個意義上說，學院是一座寺廟。
1997/98年，我告訴Yogi Bhajan，我必須停止瑜伽茶生意，我在這裡賺的錢不夠。 我現在需要一座寺廟，開始所謂自己的創業。 當時，我仍然有動力去做這件事。
然後，當我坐在他面前，他躺在按摩長凳上，由一位專門來自加那利群島的按摩師按摩時，他對我說：「兒子啊，首先 — 這是你自己的事。」 我是準備好的了。 大師的存在真是難以忍受的，特別是當他和你說話非常直接時。
然後他說：「你不需要建一座寺廟。 建造一個錫克廟。 二十萬美元夠嗎？」 他這樣說，我的神經快崩潰了，當我和瑜伽茶事業說再見時，我正好得到了這20萬美元，就把它們投入了學院。
那會是一個很棒的故事。 當你實施和構建自己的計畫時，這當然是一個很大的變化。
我一直喜歡建造東西。 我們一直試圖改變某事或將其付諸實踐。 錫克也是如此，總是按照「用創造，去創造」的座右銘，無論是現在的茶館還是德國瑜伽節，還是現在的學院。
Sat Hari Singh 在錫克教的示威活動中，在公共場合戴頭巾的權利。 1982 © Sat Hari Singh
Guru Ram Das — 這是學院的以祂為名的人物。 你能解釋一下祂是誰嗎？
Guru Ram Das 是第四位Guru Nanak（錫克的宗教 — 錫克的創始人），是將正法提升到第四階，即心靈層次的人。 他不僅僅是一個歷史人物。 我們也可以把他看作是一種非個人化的高理解度的振動品質。
他是Ram，意思是Ra Ma、太陽和月亮的聯合。 Ram 通常被稱為神，且意為服務。古魯的意思是從黑暗到光明。 翻譯一下，如果你能夠在一切事物中侍奉神，那麼你將找到一條從黑暗到光明的道路。
昆達里尼瑜伽具有這種品質，當我們說：Aad Guray Nameh，Jugaad Guray Nameh，Sat Guray Nameh，Siri Guru Devay Nameh。 也就是說，我們在這種精神力量、這種令人振奮的力量面前鞠躬，我們生活在無限中，在更高的維度中無處不在。在這些歷史時刻，他們也在此時此地產生作用。 Ram Guru 是這個正法要去到之處，就是瑜伽。 我相信，在上層世界在各方面都有這樣的介面，可以說是照顧個人靈魂的。 人們有不同的轉變來源。 個人和非個人來源。 對我們來說，這是Guru Ram Das，我們冥想Guru Ram Das，並感到與他關係密切，這是我們靈性世界的根基之一。
覺察是一種內心的旅程。 我如何獲得更多的覺知或生活的意識？
你可以稱之為覺知或警覺。 每當我與人們交談並告訴他們 — 早上早起一點，我經常聽到 — 不，我必須睡覺。 然後我說——佛不喚做昏昏欲睡，而是覺醒的人。 意識正在覺醒，最終人們會覺醒到更高的頻率。 意識是你在此時此地的抵達到來。 你可以透過傾聽對話或在一切事物中看到神來實現這一點。
去年你慶祝了70歲生日。 你對你的生活滿意嗎，還是還有你想實現的願望？
我還有許多願望。 我想寫一本關於寶瓶時代的書。 我目前正在寫另外兩本書。 我們在這一生中取得的成就，憑藉我們的小願望，我們可以實現神的旨意。 這就是我想要的。
Dear Sat Hari, you teach Kundalini Yoga and are the founder of the GuruRam Das Aquarian Academy, as well as former CEO of Yogi Tea, the popular tea variety founded by Yogi Bhajan in the 70s.
Is it true that you brought Yogi Tea to Germany?
It already existed in America, and I helped it to become known here. At that time, we had the Golden Temple Restaurant at the Eppendorfer Baum and had to add another Open a branch of business, otherwise we would not be able to feed our ashram. Then it was said – Sat Hari do Yogi Tea and I just said no! (laughs). At that time, we used for 1500 DM per month Tea sold, of course, no one could live on it. Then I said I’d stay half in the restaurant and the other half I would do Yogi Tea. In 1986 I started to develop the professional site of Yogi Tea in Germany.
Does the classic recipe of Indian Yogi Tea consist of a specific spice mixture?
This is always claimed by some tea specialists, but in reality, no recipes are passed on at all in Ayurveda. The Ayurvedic doctor looks at you and depending on what you have, for example, he prescribes a ginger root, five tablespoons of cardamom and three teaspoons of cinnamon, it is your individual recipe.
When Yogi Bhajan (Kundalini Yoga Master) came to the West, he brought the recipe with him because he felt that people needed something for the nerves, for digestion, circulation and naturally essential oils for the higher frequencies. And the people who weren’t so familiar with it then claimed – we got the recipe from India; it’s been around for a thousand years. That’s nonsense, of course. Every Indian housewife has her own masala recipe or spice recipe, and this is the Ayurvedic tradition in India.
Do you still run the Golden Temple Teehaus on Grindelallee in Hamburg?
I gave up the management of the teahouse when we went to Boizenburg five years ago, where we founded the Guru Ram Das Aquarian Academy.
How long have you been practicing yoga?
“I don’t know how many incarnations there are, I haven’t counted that” (laughs).
But in this lifetime, the sky fell on my head around 1979. At that time, I developed a different body awareness, also through the encounter with women. At that time, the Sannyasins offered many workshops and seminars. I lived with a woman in a small apartment in Hamburg Eimsbüttel and she went to a seminar every weekend. We had got to know each other at an organic agriculture and horticulture project in Poppenbüttel. She wore red and I liked it. In addition, I have a few lessons a day with my Dutch teacher Robert van Heeckeren. Those were the beginnings for me.
… and discovered Kundalini Yoga for you?
No, it was more the general Hatha Yoga. I discovered Kundalini Yoga differently. I left the city and spent a year with a guitar and a beautiful pink Cloth jacket with a rainbow on it traveled through Europe. Then the question arose – God, where do you want me? Our search back then, with my partner Sat Hari Kaur together led us to Greece, where we lived for a while and again and again the questions arose – where do we want to go, where is our place, our spiritual place? It was then the Guru Ram Ashram in Isestraße, for Kundalini Yoga and Sikh Dharma.
Can you describe your childhood to me?
Oh, it was beautiful. I was born in Rostock and in 1952 my parents moved west via Hamburg to Hildesheim and then to Bad Salzdetfurth. The first time I I really remember myself when I went out on the street when I was four or five years old. With other children we sat on an iron bar at the neighboring house and I I said the memorable sentence – I’m here now, too. That was the beginning of my human career (laughs).
Would you say that through Kundalini Yoga you also discovered your spirituality?
No. Spirituality has always been there. It is another name for God. In itself, the word is not wrong. At a certain point in life, I was and learned in a special moment that I was actually always in a relationship with my higher self, but not consciously. And at some point I realized that I have always been in this relationship with my higher self. There is a picture – if you want to look into the valley, you have to climb a high mountain. Only from up there can you can see the valley. When you’re in the valley, you don’t see it.
At what particular moment did you learn that you had always been in a relationship with your higher self?
Like many others, I learned especially through pain and above all through crises in love relationships. Like my little 8-month-old husky dog who loves female dogs I have stormed into relationships again and again, without being able to imagine that it takes more than goodwill and a deep feeling to live a love. So felt in the end, a relationship for me felt like a deep sense of abandonment, which became so deep in 1978 that only something deeper could catch me. And that was what I called my higher self or God. The jumping bed that caught me from the depths and gave me the familiar message that we have always been united.
What illuminates the soul?
It is self-luminous. It is the everlasting light, it is the everlasting sound, it is the everlasting life and everlasting love. There is nothing that has been added or must be taken away.
Yes, but it is not always recognized.
That is another matter. This has nothing to do with the soul, but with the head. The head is quite stubborn, that’s true. The soul is simply the being that works for remains eternal.
What is the significance of the Aquarian Age we are currently in?
It is a new frequency, a new life. My teacher once said that nothing will remain as it is. If you get up at two at night and go out on the street, nothing is like it. normally. You can dance on the sidewalk, and there is a silence around you that you don’t otherwise perceive. And when the birds start singing a little later, everything is different again. and yet it is the same environment. So it is with the Age of Aquarius. It’s the same environment and yet everything is different. We notice, we are shaken, torn apart, put into a greater quality.
Even without the pandemic…
Yes, that’s just the crowning glory on top.
I also practice Kundalini Yoga myself and singing is an important part of it. I think it’s a good balance to the dynamic exercises.
We have in our Jap Ji (Jap Ji is a prayer at the beginning of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, which is considered the holy scripture of the Sikhs), which we read in the morning, a passage that translates as much means like – God, where are you? Then he answers, she, it: Where I am, there is always music or instruments, there are always great symphonies, an orchestra. Da singen everybody, there sings gems, planets, the choirs of angels, the dwarves, the nymphs, the stones, the jewels, there all sing. That’s my place, that’s where I’m at home.
Yoga is always the combination of Atma (the individual divine soul) and Paramatma (the all-encompassing divine soul). This connection can also be found on different levels. In the body, there are certainly some possibilities. But singing is the most beautiful.
What has changed for you since you founded the Guru Ram Das Aquarian Academy in 2015?
I would say I have found a home. We have been looking for this place for a very long time and today I am allowed to embody the entire Dharma, yoga, there. We give kirtan there every day, Sadhana (Sadhana is early morning yoga and meditation when the angle of the sun to the earth is most suitable).
(Our community has) a very large library, if anyone needs a library nowadays (laughs).
The Academy is a temple in that sense.
In 1997/98 I told Yogi Bhajan, I have to stop the Yogi Tea Business, I don’t earn enough here. I need a temple now and start my own business. At that time, I still had the drive to do that.
Then he said to me as I sat in front of him and he was lying on a massage bench massaged by a masseuse who had come specially from the Canary Islands: “Son, first of all–this is your business”. I was ready. The presence of a Master is hard to bear, especially when he speaks directly to you.
And then he said: “You do not need to build a temple. Build a Gurdwara. Are two hundred thousand bucks enough?” I was pretty much done with the nerves and when I said goodbye to Yogi Tea, I got exactly these two hundred thousand dollars and put them into the academy.
How do you personally achieve inner peace?
Inner peace is one of the most precious things of all. Inner peace is only with God. There are different forms of divine consciousness. Life itself is a form of this consciousness. Divine love is a form, and joy is also an expression of it. You could go through all these gates and if you have gone through and need nothing more, then you could say, now I am at peace within.
That’s a great story. It is certainly a big change when you implement and build your own project.
I’ve always loved building something. We have always tried to change something or put it into practice. This was also the case with the Sikhs, always according to the motto “Create, create”, whether it now was the Tea House or the German Yoga Festival or now the Academy.
Sat Hari Singh at a Sikh demonstration for the rights to wear a turban in public, ca. 1982 © Sat Hari Singh
Guru Ram Das – This is the namesake of the academy. Can you explain who he is?
Guru Ram Das is the fourth Guru Nanak (founder of Sikhism, the religion of the Sikhs) and was the one who has brought the Dharma to the fourth level, the level of the heart. He was not just a historical person. We can also see him as an impersonal high understanding vibration quality.
He is Ram, which means the unity of Ra Ma, sun and moon. Ram is commonly referred to as God and means to serve. Guru means from darkness to light. Translated, if you are able to serve God in everything, then you will find a way from darkness to light.
Kundalini Yoga has this quality when we say: Aad Guray Nameh, Jugaad Guray Nameh, Sat Guray Nameh, Siri Guru Devay Nameh. That is, we bow before this spiritual force, this uplifting force, which we live in infinity and everywhere in the higher dimensions. They also work in the here and now, in these historical moments. Guru Ram This is the place to go in this Dharma, this Yoga. I believe there are in all ways these interfaces in the upper world, which look after the individual souls, so to speak. People have different sources of transformation. Personal and impersonal sources. For us it is Guru Ram Das and we meditate on Guru Ram Das and feel very connected to him, which is one of our roots to the spiritual world.
Awareness is an inner journey. How do I achieve more awareness or awareness in life?
You can call it consciousness or alertness. Whenever I talk to people and tell them – get up a little earlier in the morning, I often hear – no, I have to sleep. Then I say – Buddha is not called thesleepy, but theawakened one. Awareness is awakening and ultimately one awakens to the higher frequency. Awareness is your Arrive in the here and now. You can accomplish this by listening through conversations or seeing God in everything.
Last year you celebrated your 70th birthday. Are you satisfied with your life or is there still a wish you want to fulfill?
I still have many wishes. I would like to write a book about the Aquarian Age. I’m currently writing two other books. What we achieve In this life, with our small desires, we can do God’s will. That’s all I want.
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